Lead Exposure and Breastfeeding (Flint, Michigan Water Crisis)

We know regular exposure to lead isn’t good for our bodies. So, we avoid lead based paints, toys and other products. But what do you do when the lead is in your drinking water? That’s exactly what’s currently happening in Flint, Michigan. How does this exposure impact moms providing breast milk to their babies? How do you know if you’re levels are too high? And what can be done about it? Today we’re learning all about lead exposure and breastfeeding.

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The Boob Group
Lead Exposure and Breastfeeding (Flint, Michigan Water Crisis)
Episode 146, March 19th, 2016

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SUNNY GAULT: We know regular exposure to lead isn't good for our bodies. So, we avoid lead based paints, toys and other products. But what do you do when the lead is in your drinking water? That's exactly what's currently happening in Flint, Michigan. How does this exposure impact moms providing breast milk to their babies? How do you know if you're levels are too high? And what can be done about it? Today we're learning all about lead exposure and breastfeeding. We're The Boob Group.
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SUNNY GAULT: Welcome to The Boob Group. We're here to support all moms wanting to provide breast milk for their babies. And I am Sunny Gault, I am co-hosting the show today with some other moms and experts that are joining us that you'll meet in just a second. If you haven't yet, we encourage you to download the New Mommy Media network app. It is the app that comprises all of our podcasts that we produce at New Mommy Media including The Boob Group. And that's a great way to listen to our podcasts on the go.
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Alright so let's meet all the women that are joining us for our conversation today. I'd love to learn a little bit more about everybody as well as your family. Provide us with a little bit of perspective moving forward in the conversation. So Moon let's start with you. Tell us a little bit about your family.
MOON: Okay, so I have three children. My oldest is my only girl, she's eight. Then I have two boys, one is four and the other one is four months old. I breastfed the first two for three years each and we are just enjoying our breastfeeding life. That's become my life is talking about boobs and breastfeeding all day long.
SUNNY GAULT: That happens when we feed our babies for so long, right, that happens? We can't help it. We just love to talk about it. Hence the podcasts, right?
Alright, Shonte tell us a little bit about yourself.
SHONTE TERHUNE: I have four children. My oldest just turned ten on Friday. I have three girls and my youngest is a boy. Finally and we are done. And he is two and a half and he is still nursing.
SUNNY GAULT: And Julie tell us something about yourself.
JULIE LOTHAMER: I'm the elder of the group here. My kiddo, my breastfeeding experience was a while go. I have a son who is seventeen and daughter that is fifteen, both with extended breastfeeding and really that's why I get into the career of a lactation support is finding the lack of support that I had back seventeen years ago with my son.
SUNNY GAULT: I love how we kind of pay it forward. We learn from our own experiences and then we try to do better things with that and to help educate other people. I love that. That's one of the reasons I created The Boob Group. So I'm Sunny, I'm kind of guiding the conversation today.
I have four kids of my own. My oldest is five, I have a three year old and then I have twins that are almost two and a half. And my twins are the babies that I'm currently breastfeeding. I do a lot of tandem breastfeeding and just as more simple that way. And I'm very passionate about breastfeeding. I kind of feel like my first two . . . I wasn't able to accomplish everything I wanted to do with breastfeeding. And that's what really led to me creating The Boob Group and wanting to educate moms about breastfeeding matters.
So anyways, ladies welcome to the show today. Thanks very much for being a part of it.
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SUNNY GAULT: Alright so before we kickoff our conversation today about lead exposure in breastfeeding I did find an article online that I just want to talk about real quickly because I think it brings up an interesting point. This particular article came out in CNN it's on their website. It's regarding the phrase "breastfeeding it's only natural."
You may have heard this, it's promoted on the radio, it's on different state department website, it was actually part of the campaign that was launched a bit ago in 2013 by the Department of Health and Human Services.
Some people are saying that this type of campaign can backfire when you use the term "natural" to promote breastfeeding. Can it fuel other concerns? Does it make people just worried if they’re not doing it, "Oh, I'm not doing something that is natural and best for my baby." Is it creating more of a rift between the breastfeeding community and moms that choose other options for their babies?
Real quickly I just kind of want to get your perspective on this to see what you guys thinking. Are we inadvertently doing something and making people feel about this? Is it okay to just say, "it is natural" because in a sense this is what our bodies were designed to do. Our breasts were primarily for our babies. It is a source of nutrition for our children. So Moon, what do you think about this?
MOON: You know I love that it's only natural I love the fact that there so much negativity that popped up where people are so concerned about the formula aspect of things? Because it is shows us where we are currently that we are so worried about whether the formula companies are receiving their money. Are they receiving their due diligence with the substance they're putting out there that they are forgetting about moms can do this.
We can and if we can't there's always milk sharing. We don't talk about these things because we're so worried about how it will look for the formula companies and we need to stop. They have their say, they've made their money, they've done all of these things. Let's get back to what the natural conversation should be about and it's about mother’s breastfeeding their children. Babies receiving their breast milk even if mom can't breastfeed.
We need to have that conversation so I'm glad that it has sparked negativity because negativity travels further than anything positive we can ever say.
SUNNY GAULT: I think sometimes we try to be a little bit too piecy about everything, right?
MOON: I agree, we're so worried about. We don't want to step on this toe. We don't want to knock on this person's door and have them fuss at us but sometimes people need to get fussed at.
JULIE LOTHAMER: I do agree that we need to have the conversation about with moms about breastfeeding. My concern is just some of the things that I deal with mom is we always think that the problem is with ourselves first. Something happens with breastfeeding, it's something I couldn't do or I'm doing it wrong or it's my body.
So I have mommies tell me sometimes if this is so natural, why can't I do it? Why am I having problems? So I do see that as part of one of the issues around saying it's only natural and the other thing that I have heard or seen some of it even back when you look at history we've had this segregated groups of like who breastfeeds back in the seventies, it was like the natural thing.
People were like, "Oh in the sixties and the seventies those were the hippie moms that breastfeed and so I do think unfortunately using that sometimes creates a divide. People are like, "You know I'm a mom on the go and I'm not making my own baby food or doing everything organic." It's okay to use formula because I'm okay with these other things. So I think we just need to be careful with that but have moms understand that that is what are bodies are meant to do and our babies are born with that biological need for breastfeeding. I think it's a great conversation to have.
SUNNY GAULT: Absolutely! Shonte, any thought?
SHONTE TERHUNE: I'm with the whole is natural movement. I think they put out a great education materials especially for African-American women. I believe it's okay to say it's natural because the breasts seems to be very overly sexualized and we get a lot of clients at the clinic who think of their breasts as something for their significant other. And so I think bringing them back to the fact that is natural and us what your body is made to do. I think that's a great thing.
SUNNY GAULT: Alright, we'll ladies thanks for your input on this. We'll go ahead and move put a link on our Facebook page for The Boob Group and we'll continue the discussion there.
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SUNNY GAULT: Alright today we're talking about Lead Exposure and Breastfeeding. The City of Flint in Genesee County, Michigan is making headlines right now. You guys have probably seen it. Julie Lothamer is a Registered Dietician, she's an IBCLC, she's co-chair of the Michigan Breastfeeding Network. And Shonte Terhune is a Nutritionist at the Genesee County Health Department WIC Clinic and she's also the Chairperson of the Genesee County Breastfeeding Coalition. We've got really good resources on joining us today for our conversation. We'll go ahead and dive into it.
So let's talk about the State of Emergency situation happening right now at Flint in Genesee County. Obviously this is regarding the contamination of high amount of lead on the drinking water. Julie give us some background here, how did this happen?
JULIE LOTHAMER: This has been a situation that's been unfolding. Unfortunately longer than it has been on the news. About eighteen months ago there was a change in water supply. They change the sources of where Flint City was getting their water. And during that transition they started using a chemical on the water to make it safe for consumption.
On notes to that even though the water is safe at the source and from the plant because Flint has a large population of older homes, the chemicals causing corrosion in the actual pipes leading into the homes which was leading the high lead levels. There was also some other issues with drinkability of the water.
Some people were experiencing brown murky water but other people still have clear water and might have no idea of the lead exposure. That is how it kind of led to the lead in the water.
SUNNY GAULT: And Shonte I want to ask you. I know you're dealing with this hand on in Genesee County. I know that Flint in December declared a State of Emergency and in January the Federal Emergency Declaration was approved. What is being done now within the community? What do you see being done now? What do you personally doing now to correct this issue and provide clean drinking water to residence?
SHONTE TERHUNE: At the WIC Clinic and then at several other locations in the County we've been giving out water filters, filter refill cartridges, at local churches and from other agencies within the County. They've been giving out bottled waters. We have the National Guards coming-in to give out bottled water door to door. So those are the major ways that we have been giving out water to the community to try to make sure that they are getting safe drinking water.
SUNNY GAULT: What is the overall mood? I'm just curious, specifically moms have child bearing age, moms that are breastfeeding their babies. What would you say is the mood right now in Flint? Is their concern?
SHONTE TERHUNE: We got moms call the clinic and their major concern is for the moms who are working, who have gone back to school should they wash their bottles and their pumping supplies and the waters from the tap. The nurses at the clinic have told that to tell moms that they could run the cold water through the tap because that's the way to filter the lead out. And to have them boil the water from the stove to clean it or that the moms could warm up bottled water to clean their pump supplies and their bottles.
SUNNY GAULT: Sounds like the concern seems to be bout cleaning out pump supplies as opposed to should I or should I not be breastfeeding my baby.
SHONTE TERHUNE: We have a lot of moms ask that.
SUNNY GAULT: That's actually good, right? They should be breastfeeding their babies. I'm glad that message isn't getting lost. Moon; tell me something about your experience. There have been at least one mom that reached out to you with concerns on the area right?
MOON: Absolutely, one of my Facebook friends that live in Flint reached out to me and said that her doctor told her that she was not able to breastfeed because of the fact that she had lead poisoning. I can't remember exactly but she said her lead level like twenty something and that they suggested to reach out to WIC for formula. And that just concerned me something awful.
So I asked her like if she knew of any other mothers that were getting the same information that I can speak to. And I went looking for my own researches if this was true because what I have in reading and what I was told was something contrary to what she was told. But those mothers are out there getting information that if you have been exposed to lead you shouldn't be breastfeeding.
They're so concerned that they were reaching out to mothers that do not live in Flint, I don't live in Flint, and I’m not a lactation consultant. What the heck can I do here because they really are worried about the fact that they are harming their children?
SUNNY GAULT: Shonte do you want to respond to that?
SHONTE TERHUNE: I know it’s been everyone is receiving different information. And so we've been doing webinars, we've been having meeting to try to make sure we get everyone on the same page. And unfortunately sometimes even I'm quite sure it's like that everywhere with there is some physicians who don't support breastfeeding and it's the harder push.
And anything that strays them from having to go into greater detail to support a mother with breastfeeding there is a lack of support there and that's why at the clinic and some other peer counsellors and myself, we try to be more prominent in the community to let moms know the proper information to receive inspite of misinformation that they can get from other sources.
SUNNY GAULT: So to go along with that Shonte, half pregnant and breastfeeding moms been tested for having those higher levels of lead in their system in the Flint area?
SHONTE TERHUNE: We recommend to moms that if you feel you have been exposed that you do will get tested. We rather you be aware of your numbers. I always tell moms be an advocate for your own health. It's better for you to be in charge of your own situation and to know what's going on especially it will give you that peace of mind and so we tell moms you can always go get tested to be recommended.
We don't tell try to stray moms from that. That's really the main thing that we've been doing just be an advocate for your own health, go get tested, know so you could be aware and feel safe because we all want to know were doing the right things for our babies and I can't blame a mother for wanting to get that information and know that.
SUNNY GAULT: Do we have any information as far as the moms that have been tested, though they have taken that step as far as what their levels have been is that of concern for anyone that has done the testing, do you know?
JULIE LOTHAMER: I can speak a little bit of that from some data that's been collected from Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. So we know that as of January 1st, about twenty-five hundred women in child bearing years have been tested. Of those twenty-five hundred 0.004% have tested at an alleviated level.
Now they just have general level which the level right now that they're using as a cut-off level is a level of 5. You have that small percentage that have tested above 5 but it could be a one mom that has a 20, another mom that has a 6 and again I shouldn't say mothers because these are just women that are child bearing age. And they haven't actually been able to screen that out.
Now the WIC Program is starting to test the moms that are on the program. The pregnant, the breastfeeding or even the post partum mom. So hopefully soon in the next few months we'll have data of if we are foreseeing more alleviated levels in the specific population in pregnant and breastfeeding moms.
SUNNY GAULT: So I want to make sure we're very clear on this. So based on the information that we have at hand now and granted we'll going to learn more, we'll going to get more test results back and all of this. Julie this question's for you. Is it safe for moms to continue breastfeeding and pumping breast milk for their babies?
JULIE LOTHAMER: Yes, it's definitely the preferred method of infant feeding and we're working very hard to do that. We know that it takes an extremely large or high lead level for it to be contra-indicated for moms to breastfeed. So as Moon was saying the mom with 20, we look at CDC guidelines we should have the infant tested and see what's the infant level is. But if the infant isn't high the breasts is doing is job. It's filtering out most of that lead and not giving that into the infant. And so we are recommending moms know their level, but the majority of what we have seen from the data is that moms should initiate or continue breastfeeding.
SUNNY GAULT: What about moms who are supplementing with formula? What is the concern there? We are talking about drinking water and granted some formula comes pre-mixed, pre-made so you could buy and you don't have to mix anything. I guess I'm more particularly interested in what do moms do if they are buying the powder and their mixing it? Julie?
JULIE LOTHAMER: It is recommended right now that all pregnant, breastfeeding infants and children under the age of 6 use bottled water so that would be in the preparation of food, in formula and for drinking. And at some point we're hoping that then that recommendation will change to that filtered water could be used for some of this situations. But right now to eliminate all potential exposure to lead they are recommending that bottled water be used to mixing formula.
SUNNY GAULT: And do they break it down at all what type of bottled water? Because I know there are a lot of different options out there in the marketplace.
JULIE LOTHAMER: Certainly it had become a recent discussion about what is happening how these kids in fluoride are if we are using bottled waters or fluoride should we be using infant waters. And right now the recommendation from the CDC is any bottled drinking water so there is a little bit of difference between like distilled water and drinking water but the recommendation is any drinking water.
SUNNY GAULT: Shonte; what are pregnant and breastfeeding moms in Genesee County being encouraged to do to stay as safe as possible?
SHONTE TERHUNE: Drink bottled water.
SUNNY GAULT: The bottled water companies are going to love this.
SHONTE TERHUNE: Drink bottled water that's the safest thing. Even though they say, "Hey, we'll have it filtered." And just like how preparing breast milk in a bottle the main thing it is best for you to use bottled water.
SUNNY GAULT: And then Julie back to you. A lot of people listen to the show obviously we have listeners that are in Michigan or all across the country. A lot of moms that maybe listening to this maybe wondering how can I stay safe? How can I protect myself even though this isn't happening in my own community because let's face it a lot of people including myself when I was reading this articles I don't really know where my water comes from, I wouldn't know to be concerned about something like this?
What advice do we have for other moms out there that maybe going "Wow this is a difficult situation, how can I protect myself even though I don't live in the area?"
JULIE LOTHAMER: In Michigan I think we're being vigilant. Our school, so I live about 25 minutes outside of Flint and so our school district decided that they were going to test all the schools water and look at lead levels. Unfortunately the school that my children attended several years back their elementary school tested high for lead until this came about no one was checking or testing those lead levels.
So I think there are a couple of things. If you're concerned, you live on an older home that may have lead piping you can get your water tested through most of the health department have that so do you have a good department of environmental quality? You can check with your water source, so whoever is you get your water bill from? You can ask for a screening from that and so that would be like the first kind of line of defence that I would say in regards to your exposure through the water.
SUNNY GAULT: So when we come back we are going to learn about some other ways moms can be exposed to lead because right now we are talking about drinking water there are other ways. And we can also talk about lead exposure and what you do if your exposure is higher than what's recommended. So we'll be right back.
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SUNNY GAULT: Alright welcome back. Today we're talking about lead exposure and its impact on breast milk. So Julie almost these questions are probably going to be for you but ladies feel free to chime in as we kind of go through this. How can high levels of lead impact both pregnant and breastfeeding moms? What is the general concern here? When we are just talking about lead not necessarily just lead in drinking water but lead in general. What's the issue?
JULIE LOTHARMER: So there are some concerns with lead exposure during pregnancy and because we know that the blood is circulated into the placenta so we do know that there's a higher exposure prenatally. When moms have exposure to lead then through breastfeeding.
So some of the things for the pregnant moms, extremely high levels can increase the risk of miscarriage it also can cause babies to be born too early or too small. It can hurt brain and kidney, and nervous system development of the infant. And then long terms for these infants that are exposed while moms are pregnant worry about learning and behavioural problems are the key things.
SUNNY GAULT: And what are some of the most common ways moms can be exposed to high amounts of lead? Obviously we've been talking a lot today about lead in drinking water. I would imagine that that would impact a lot of people right like what's happening in Flint. But what about some of the other way.
JULIE LOTHARMER: There are some things we do know that lead based paint was common even though we don't have that anymore. So if you're living in an older home older paint especially around window sills or trim that potentially cracked can create a dangerous dust. That's why the initial recommendation for lead testing were on children at 1 and 2 when they were kind of crawling and grabbing and putting hands in their mouth.
So definitely the older lead based paints in homes or even lead based in older toys and by older that is even mean that long ago the big one was Thomas The Train around the early 2000's still had used lead based paints so some of those things. And also if certain jobs or hobbies so you want to make sure if you do work at a manufacturing around like recycling or batteries anything that would have like lead those are some of the things that could put other people at risks.
SUNNY GAULT: You mentioned “Thomas The Train” my kids love “Thomas The Train” now I feel like I have to go all through my Thomas The Train stuff and make sure it's safe, make sure it's plastic or something. How would mom know if she is exposed? What are some of the symptoms there?
JULIE LOTHARMER: The kind of the scary part there's not a lot of symptoms for lead exposure during pregnancy or breastfeeding. So one of the things is you can ask for a lead screen. Pregnant moms are getting blood draws all of the time so you could ask for that screening to be done through your physician.
Health Departments sometimes offer lead screening that can be done a little bit simpler that having to have a blood draw it is what we call a Capillary. A stick and it is done through your finger and they can draw that and if to do just the screening and then if that comes back high then they would do a blood draw. So unfortunately it's not easy like to say, "Oh, if you're fatigued you'll have a headache" or you're feeling nauseous or anything that may be going along with pregnancy. There aren't direct symptoms for lead poisoning.
SUNNY GAULT: Honestly if there were symptoms, some of them might be the same as what you're going through in pregnancy. When you're pregnant there's a lot of stuff happening within your body and we say all the time each pregnancy is different. So I think it might be even more difficult for pregnant women especially to be able to discern.
Is this symptom from lead or something else I've been exposed to or just pregnancy in general. So definitely something to keep in mind there. What is the treatment process like? If you’re tested to have higher levels, I guess we should talk about what is considered a higher level? To Moon's point earlier a mom was concerned, she thought she had high levels. What are the high levels? What are these levels look like? What do we concern about there?
JULIE LOTHARMER: Right now for CDC guideline, where we put our risk factor, if you tested over 5 with that. That's a new recommendation it just got decreased down from 10 a year ago from CDC. We do know that they are starting to notice effects in children with lower lead levels and so that's why they decreased. They say if mammas are in the 20, they recommend screening and same with the infant’s blood level at that. If the infant’s blood level is under 5 then they would say continue breastfeeding?
At 40 it's usually the concern where moms would need to stop breastfeeding at that point in time for a short period of time. Hopefully eliminate the exposure by utilizing bottled water, changing something were ever the exposure maybe. The half life of lead really does come down relatively quickly so that we’re hoping for a short amount of time that mom can decrease her exposure, her lead level would come down and it would be safe for her to breastfeed again.
I do want to mention The HMBANA, The Human Milk Banking Association of America we have a bank in Kalamazoo, Michigan which is kind of on the other side of the state, but they have stepped up and said that if we have a mom that does need treatment and does need to stop breastfeeding that they're offering the use of human milk for that mom and that situation.
Our goal is to never tell a mom to quit breastfeeding and go to formula but really to find how can we get the mom back to breastfeeding as soon as possible in that interim. How can we make sure this baby continues on human milk?
Sunny Gault: Just a quick follow up to that. So if a mom has higher level she's been tested, let's say she's in the forties or whatever. So is of concern for specifically the mom. Is there a way to then somehow salvage the breast milk that she is currently, I don’t know if she's pumping or whatever she might be doing or is it you know we hear all the time we say it all the time that it's that liquid gold right? So we don't want to waste. Is there anything that we've done to breast milk I guess to get the lead out if they find that they are higher amount of lead in it then what's safe for baby.
JULIE LOTHARMER: Alright, unfortunately testing breast milk itself for lead is very difficult and that comes from my partner, our partners of The Human Milk Bank. We've talked to them about how do they screen for that? And it is not a normal screen so unfortunately they don't feel really educated and if there's anything they can do for that because I do know that is not normally something that they screen for.
So, if a mom was above 40 and that situation there are something that but they actually have to do to like actually clear the blood from lead. So it's called culation process which is a very medicalized process of the whole thing. It just doesn't mean stop exposure so mom's had that extremely high levels, would have to have some other medical interventions most likely.
SUNNY GAULT: How long does lead stay in your system? One thing said that I think about in breastfeeding is sometimes it can help obviously gives our babies anti-bodies and stuffs but it can help push any kind of lead out of your system faster by breastfeeding? Do we have any information on that?
JULIE LOTHARMER: The very interesting thing about where lead is and how it's stored in your body is it actually can get stored in your bone? So it's a little tricky with the situation of breastfeeding because we do know that calcium can be metabolized from bone. If need to keep your breast milk at certain level if you have low intake or dietary intake of calcium.
So that also means that you have the potentials to actually leech lead from your bone that you may have had exposure as a child and not currently. So that does create some concerns about what how much lead? Is there peaks and valleys of when you're breastfeeding? How much lead can be in your breast milk? But we do know with new exposure, lately I'm in-taking lead in a water right now that the half life in that is a relatively short period of time.
So it goes through your system quite quickly after you stop the exposure. And some of the things that you can do to help protect is to have diet rich in calcium so things like milk yogurt and cheese and green leafy vegetables. Things in iron you know like meat and beans and again like spinach and then vitamin C.
All of those things kind of hinder the absorption of lead. So the one good thing about if the moms is involved in the WIC Program the Women, Infant and Children Program we provide some of those items so that they can make sure that there having a diet rich in those. And the other thing I forgot to mention earlier about exposure is sometimes we have to watch for other cultural exposures.
So if we have moms that are using spices or folk medicines or other things produced in another country and brought here. Sometimes those can have lead on them along with like glazed pottery and sometimes some candies and makeup so there are the potentials for lead and some of those other things so you do want to kind of watch what you're using as products or talk to moms. If you find a mom with high lead exposure in an area where you know it's not the drinking water what maybe else so some other possible exposures.
SUNNY GAULT: There's a lot of good information. Moon I want to toss it back to you after listening to everything that everyone said today. Did you learn anything new as far as lead exposures is concern? Anything you can share us some of moms has been reaching out to you as of late?
MOON: I didn't know anything new but I would very much so happy to hear Julie say on record that they're not telling mothers to use formulas. Maybe we could get some of this information to these doctors out here who are telling moms to stop breastfeeding. This is nonsense, I'm glad to have that spread. Let's share that one piece. I love that.
SUNNY GAULT: If you didn't take anything else from this episode today, take that away. Share this episode with your pediatrician or whoever is telling you not to breastfeed your baby. Shonte let's wrap-up with you, I want to end things on a positive note. So Genesee County is been hit pretty hard obviously by lead exposure in their drinking water. What would you say though or some of the benefits to have come out of this tough situation?
SHONTE TERHUNE: More focus on breastfeeding. It seem like it's easier to promote breastfeeding with this situation because you can tell moms like, "Hey, you don't have to worry about mixing the formula and things like that. Is the water that you are using safe for your child. Hey, your bodies already ready to produce what your baby needs and are everything that they need. And so moms more like when we teach to breastfeeding class that's a great point to make that, "hey, if you've been exposed and you live in the City of Flint this is a great way to make sure that you're doing something safe and what we believe to be best for your babies."
So I think that's the best thing to come out of this situation. Also it brought more awareness to breastfeeding amongst professionals, your pediatricians, your OBGYN. This has caused them to want more training concerning breastfeeding which I think is great because then hopefully they can be more supportive of their patient. I believe breastfeeding can be more highlighted more.
Hopefully we can see more about breastfeeding in the media in our County. We can make it more the norm and I think that would be great especially for our African-American women in Genesee County who are part of the larger population that has been hit. And if those rates can increase then I believe everybody have done their best to do their job and make it the new normals.
SUNNY GAULT: Well ladies we have to wrap-up our conversation but on behalf of all the mammas out there. I really appreciate all the work that you guys are doing here whether it's getting questions Moon from other moms and trying to help to get the word out there or ladies being hands on, Julie and Shonte and really helping out the area of Flint in Genesee County. I really do appreciate everything that you are doing. I'm sure the mommas there do as well. Thank you for that. Thanks for everyone for being part of today’s show and for listening today’s show.
If you're a member of The Boob Group then be sure to check out our bonus content for this episode. We'll learn about ways you can help Flint residents overcome lead exposure even though you don't live in the area.
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SUNNY GAULT: Alright, before we wrap things up. We do have a “Boob Oops” segment that we want to tell you about today. So Gwen sent this to us and here's what she have to say:
“About a month ago my husband gave me a case of food poisoning. I was sick all night. The next day I was fine until late afternoon when I went out to eat. On my way home I realize I was going to have an “emergency”. I got off the freeway and stopped at McDonalds to use the restroom. I have Savannah which is her daughter with her also. I was on the potty and my milk led down, I didn't think anything about it, I was preoccupied at the time, I finished up and left McDonalds. And as we were walking all the way through the restaurant everyone was giving me this funny smile, I assumed this was because of my beautiful daughter Savannah. And when I get on the van I happened to look down on my shirt and there were two humongous wet spots where my milk had soaked through. It was very obvious it happened and the thing that was even worse is I had to go to a busy physical therapist office with this wet shirt. She says it did dry but there were still two big stains and now she knows her milk let down even in precarious positions like when she's using the restrooms in McDonalds”.
Your bodies going to do what your bodies going to do, right? You can't really control it. Even in the bathroom at McDonalds. So Gwen thanks so much for sending this in. So if you guys have a funny Boob Oops for us, go ahead and go to our website www.newmmonymedia.com you can send us an email. Also send us a voicemail straight through the website at just use the microphone on your computer and you could do it that way.
That wraps up our show for today. We appreciate you listening to The Boob Group.
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• Preggie Pals for expecting parents
• Newbies for newly postpartum moms
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• Twin Talks for parents with multiples.

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